Catherine writes
Think a lot of the time when dealing with stuff we can end up trapped. We ask people to pray for us, and end up with a general feeling that the issue should have been dealt with. But often feelings/ fears, difficulties return. In reality, underlying things aren't dealt with in a five minute prayer at the end of a service or wherever! Problem is, we feel we have prayed the prayer, so to go back on that is just our weakness. Guilt and shame then piles on as we keep being unable to do things that have been prayed about or we fail/struggle with thoughts or behaviours. We end up just fighting it - we feel that we can't talk to God about it, that he will be fed up with us, that he will be angry that we haven't moved on, that our faith just isn't good enough. And we feel we can't bring it up with church people because they have already prayed for us, 'what will they think?'
For a lot of my christian life it worked like this for me: Anxiety not overcome, not feeling God near, feeling I needed to work harder at stuff to show I could do things. Feeling a 'failure' as a christian. Feeling it wasn't right to talk about how I was actually feeling, because that just wasn't right.
For a lot of my christian life it worked like this for me: Anxiety not overcome, not feeling God near, feeling I needed to work harder at stuff to show I could do things. Feeling a 'failure' as a christian. Feeling it wasn't right to talk about how I was actually feeling, because that just wasn't right.
Think this process leaves us trapped and chained, and unable to access the freedom God has for us.
David writes
On the other hand, the alternative to the quick after-service ministry prayer is often seen as counselling or 'therapy'. Where every nuance from the past has to be understood and dealt with in minute detail, sometimes taking years with no discernable change. Except perhaps to the counselees bank balance!
Catherine writes
That's harsh! Think we both agree that there's a place for ministry times and specialist counselling.....
David writes
Yeah, I reckon you're right, but for a lot of people who are trapped as you describe, there must be a better way!
Catherine writes
Yep, I reckon there's a third way! God longs for us to have this freedom, longs for us to be transformed, longs for relationship and to communicate with us. Difference is, when he transforms things change! Let's recognise that ministry praying has to leave room for the possibility that this is part of a God-guided journey of increasing discovery and freedom. Not everything changes at once, God has time, He's patient!
David writes
Ok, like it, but how does that differ from counselling, other than the important point that the person doesn't feel guilty that the one off prayer was supposed to fix it all?
Catherine writes
It's about God revealing the stuff that he knows is key to the issues that need dealing with now. They may not be those secular counselling would pick up on or even those that we would choose to highlight. That's why God is God! He's a loving Father, He knows that this needs dealing with in order to get to other things later... It's about cooperating with The Holy Spirit as He convinces of sin, reveals wounds and brings healing. Then it's about exercising the gifts of the Spirit to minister healing into the area He has revealed. Sometimes it's not even a whole area that is revealed at first, it might be just the hint of something that as you pray into becomes clearer. But little by little, the layers are peeled back, not of every wound or every area, but a light-shining, truth revealing insight into that which God knows is the best thing for us.
David writes
So, not a one off prayer, but not an open ended counselling that might open wounds in an untimely manner... more a developing understanding and progressive dealing in God's time at His pace, of the issue that He has pinpointed.
Sounds like what we need are Spirit filled friends....
Could have been written for me but I'm afraid it has just sent my head into a complete whirl, so much so that I have actually had to hold my head to try and 'still' it. However, very well written although it has made me feel ill.
ReplyDeleteLast line sums it up, where does it leave you if you don't have said spirit filled friends!?
ReplyDeleteBut sometimes at the end of service ministry does knock it on the head. With God all things are possible. It may not happen the first time you pray, there may be things to learn before that happens, I know that for me my healing came after I lay down my will, my rights and was ready to just hand over the issue. I know that I had to learn to trust in God, not because he was going to heal me but because he is God. So even without the healing, even through the pain, i had to trust that he was still God and he was with me and he never lets me go. i was in conversation with him, wrestling with the issue with him myself, not just trusting other people's faith would be enough. I was also trying desperately, although not very successfully at first, to keep my perspective right, for my condition and issue to give God the glory. what i went through taught me so much about myself, God and others. It showed me who my real friends were and those whose friendship was shallow. it took my total trust off friends that i thought i could rely on and put it firmly on God. it wasn't a one hit. there was a process. but when the conditions were right, my focus in the right place, my hearts desire for the right things and my perspective of God in the right direction, God used one prayer of ministry at the end of the service and wiped the slate clean. its not all resolved the way i would like, but its no longer a condition or problem that has a hold over me anymore. praise be to God who always has the first and last word! With him all things are possible.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this. I like it a lot. I like your points about community as well as what I'd summarise as your points about Grace and Truth. I guess that's church, with Jesus as the Head. Seems like it ought to be simple! Maybe you're saying it is, if we'd only take hold of what's there.
ReplyDeleteWe can reduce things to component parts, which is sometimes a good idea. However, we need to see things as a whole.
ReplyDeleteThe prayer ministry at the end of a service is good, and we should use this facility when we need it.
We also need good, prayerful, and spirit lead friends. House-groups can help this. Mine are helping me at the moment.
The comment about secular counselling perhaps misses a vital point. For a Christian, I would suggest Christian Counselling, which uses secular techniques but looks at the whole person: Body, Mind, AND Spirit. Secular counselling looks only at body and mind.
All these parts work together in our lives and understanding. Each area affects the others: they are interconnected.
But, above all, we need to connect with God. If we can't do it on our own, we should get others to help us.
I'm in a very difficult place at the moment, and find it hard to pray for my own situation. However, I can pray for others in need. And others pray for me and with me. For those close friends, I am eternally grateful and thankful.